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Old 01-23-2015, 10:32 PM   #21
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Not to pick sides here but the jeep Cherokee and ford escape both came out with a 2wheel drive but it didn't sell very well and all SUVs share the unibody with cars but the large ones use truck drive train and a lot of the small ones use a more car like drive train and motors

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Old 01-23-2015, 11:37 PM   #22
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Technically isn't the Crosstrek a crossover?
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Old 01-24-2015, 01:37 AM   #23
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Modern day "SUV's" are nothing more than tall wagons with a taller suspension.

I think what Crunchtrek is referring to is that the XV is definitely not an SUV in the old-fashioned sense.


SUV's used to be body-on-frame vehicles purpose built for the sole purpose to drive off-road, tow, etc (basically truck capability) without sacrificing passenger and cargo capacity like pickup trucks do. Basically, the bed was removed for room for passengers. Their on-road capabilities were an afterthought, though they were very capable off-road.

Today, most "SUV's" are nothing more than tall unibody wagons with no truck structure (that the body-on-frame construction is, a truck frame) and primarily intended for use on pavement, with off-road capability taking a back seat in priority.


So although Crunchtrek comes off as someone who doesn't know what an "SUV" is, I would have to agree with Crunchtrek in that the XV isn't a "true SUV", but a crossover, the term used fo describe a unibody vehicle with some or watered-down characteristics of "true" body-on-frame SUV's.

Yes, today's media and organizations refer to crossovers as "SUV's", but they are a far cry from the once heavy-duty truck-based SUV's of years back.


In fact, it is stated in my owner's manual:
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Because of the AWD feature and higher ground clearance, your SUBARU can be driven on ordinary roads or off-road. But please keep in mind that an AWD SUBARU is a passenger car and is neither a conventional off-road vehicle nor an all-terrain vehicle.
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Old 01-27-2015, 05:57 PM   #24
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doh, double posted while editing.

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Making a car taller doesn't make it an SUV. Standing by that.

Both of these Subaru wagons have more ground clearance than an XV. They are still cars.




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These are MUCH more capable off road than an XV. They are all higher off the ground than an XV, they are still cars.
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Old 01-27-2015, 07:18 PM   #25
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I fully understand what you're saying. The XV is a lifted car. I'm not debating that since we all know the XV is an Impreza save for some suspension bits. Its not classified anywhere in any publication, etc. as anything but an SUV. Semantics.

What this has to do with my original post, I do not know.

My point is, if Subaru is going to add packages to the XV lineup they should have substance behind them. Nobody wants stickers and fake spoilers.

Its like when some dolt takes a basic Impreza and adds an STi wing to the trunk. Everybody knows its not an STi... its dumb. Meanwhile the reverse is also true. Take an STi, delete visual bits and make it a sleeper. Very much awesome. I don't know why that's so hard to understand.

Subaru needs an XT or STi XV and it needs to utilize its SUV ground clearance. Why on Earth would they want to lower it back to Impreza standards and tack on a spoiler that does nothing?

I know, because a fool and his money are easily separated.

P.S. Mucho respect for your muddy wagons
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Old 01-28-2015, 04:26 PM   #26
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If they plan on lowering the XV, they will have to call it an Impreza. They've had an XT Forester forever, I don't see why they would lower an XV if they wanted to add a a turbo.


I agree whole heartedly about function over form. My Jeep fits that profile very well. MY XV has proper street tires on it except for when it snows, then I put on my snow tires. The idea of putting big heavy all/mud terrains seems crazy to me with out a dual range transmission. These already have 0 power at 0 miles an hour, adding taller tires will just rob power. I know this because of how many times I put bigger tires on Subarus in the past. My imprezas got a piggy back chip that helped boost power. But the cars were still useless for slow motion off road stuff. But they looked cool as HELL! These days they put the older dual range transmissions in the GS Imprezas to make up for that.
You'll note though that lots of Forester XT owners have lowered them to the ground.



I don't have a problem with a hood scoop that does nothing but look cool though. I searched out hoods with scoops for all my imprezas that weren't RSs.
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Old 01-28-2015, 05:27 PM   #27
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Subaru showed an XV STI concept with lowered ride height and tack-on plastic spoilers. Still higher than the Impreza.

I can't remember if it was SEMA or the Auto Salon. I'll look for a link. But I think you'll agree that's not the direction they need to be going.
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Old 01-28-2015, 10:12 PM   #28
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If you want it taller, there are several places now that have taller springs as well as strut spacers to make it that way. I'll settle for whatever they put out and make it to my taste if me and money are good friends when they actually do put one out.
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Would it be possible to custom design a hood scoop as the exhaust snorkel? Talk about turning form into function!
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Old 02-25-2015, 11:53 PM   #30
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You all are messed up. After seeing those Photoshoped (C) Subaru XV STIs, all I want to do is trade my XV for it! Great work @Schonuff and @Crunchtrek
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