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Discussion starter · #21 ·
I think that's right Chasem. Three transponder keys at a time and like 5-6 keys total maximum that can be EVER programmed into the life of the computer.

Also, my coded valet key works in my glovebox. It can unlock and lock it no problem at all.

I should get my flip key tomorrow, I will let you know how it goes. Perhaps with two of us, we can crack the transponder issue Gachrid.
 
Well as of now I've tried to cut out enough plastic in the key to get the chip out but not harm the key. It just won't come out. Not sure how the hell this thing is attached. I don't want to destroy the key to get it out. I read that the car can hold 4 codes at onces and it just pushes codes out when you add new ones. I can't imagine that they would have the computer max out at 5. If three are programmed in and someone loses their key they made need new keys. Which would mean probably three keys. That would mean 6 six already...

Whatever the case. I don't want to destroy one key for possibly getting it to work...
 
Did some more work tonight and still can't get the chip out. So at this point it's going to be cut out the chip and key blade with dremel and fit it into the flip key if I want it done. If it doesn't work I'd need another key. If it does work then good. But I guess no point buying another key up front just to cut it apart. Just cut one I have and replace if needed I guess.
 
Discussion starter · #24 ·
Gachrid, have you had any luck getting the transponder out? I received my flip key today. I see the transponder and understand why it was so difficult. I will wait to hear from you before I proceed.
 
I got one too. I am going to attempt to remove the transponder tonight myself. It looks as though it is some kind of a soft pliable glue holding it in. I scrapped some off. But I want to get a strong pin to tried and scrape out more then I am going to see if I can pry it out.

My question is where do you get the key cut. They are not laser cut keys, or so I am assume are they?
 
Discussion starter · #26 ·
Hi Chris, welcome to our challenge. Hopefully you got the non-laser cut key. It should have a couple of mainline grooves already cut into each side of the blank and not be just solid smooth metal blank on both sides.

If this is what you have then you can take it to anyone with a key machine that you know has some experience and they can cut it. I wouldn't trust it, however, to the average walmart kid with 6 months tenure. I took mine to a local homestead where I know the guy has been doing keys for 12 years and has great experience at getting it right the first time.

From my reading about these transponders, they are very fragile and easily broken. I am hoping Gachrid has the best method to remove one.

Good luck.
 
Thanks, 0331, I actually got both type of blanks with the flip case. I told the guy I only neede the non-laser but he sent both.

I called the dealer where I gort my car they told me "we can't cut it and it will be $240 for Subaru to do it".

There is a local hardware store near me that does auto keys and remote programming so I guess they can do it.

Thanks!

P.S. I was going to try and use my heat gun to soften the glue, and then see if the transponder will move, but not until I have my blank cut.
 
chris85tc said:
Thanks, 0331, I actually got both type of blanks with the flip case. I told the guy I only neede the non-laser but he sent both.

I called the dealer where I gort my car they told me "we can't cut it and it will be $240 for Subaru to do it".

There is a local hardware store near me that does auto keys and remote programming so I guess they can do it.

Thanks!

P.S. I was going to try and use my heat gun to soften the glue, and then see if the transponder will move, but not until I have my blank cut.
Definitely talk to the local locksmith. They can cut it, no problem. I had two blanks cut (strictly for opening my door if keys get locked in) and they didn't flinch. Cutting it is cake.
 
I've had no luck at all. I used a heat gun and heated it up and no luck. I cut most of the plastic off to pop it off and still nothing. I think the issue at hand is figuring out where exactly the transponder ends inside the plastic. Every bit of plastic covering the chip needs to be removed to get it out without hurting it. I called the dealer today and you guys were 100% correct. Was like $220 for the new key and cutting. Then another half hour-hour of labor to program it to the car. So at least $300 for a new key... That's making me not want to continue trying to get this apart. I was about the cut the whole key apart and use the blade and then chip in the new key. But if anything goes wrong I'm looking at a ridiculous bill to make sure I have two keys for the car... Not sure where I'm at with this right now.
 
Discussion starter · #30 ·
Ok I spent 2 very careful hours getting the transponder out of my original Subaru key. Thanks to your help, I was able to forgo useless practice and try something different. I decided that I would sacrifice the key body entirely to reduce the chance that the transponder will be damaged. After all, the only thing that really is important and costly to replace is the transponder, once you have the electronics buttons safely removed.

Using a medium sized pair of sharp wire clippers, I just snapped a square around the transponder by cutting through the original housing. I think I have Subaru plastic housing chips in all four corners of my house now. Next, I cut into the two corners on the narrow wall side and the wall came down with minimum leverage from a very small flat-head screwdriver. I then used the screwdriver and slightly pried from the bottom to get the transponder out successfully. This was a very delicate process. The whole time I kept the transponder laying on the work towel so that it would not go "flying" like the plastic chips.

The transponder seems to be very delicate and fills the entire cavity of the Subaru housing. It was placed in the slot by Subaru in a raw state it seems. So delicate, I was afraid to even try to pick it up after it was pried out of the tray and dropped onto my work cloth. I took another small cloth and used that, instead of my fingers, for fear that moisture would ruin the small device. Once you place it into the new housing, it fits very snugly, but not near as tight as Subaru had it. However, there should be no chance that it will shake around or be damaged once the housing is assembled.

So far, so good. Hopefully I have not shortened the life of the transponder device and my cheaply purchased flip key will work for a few years to come. One word of advice on assembly of the key once you have the transponder inserted and complete your assembly. Turn the spring one quarter turns as you insert it, then attach the other half and make a full rotation with the single plate as the key is in the open position. I did this without the blank inserted. When you screw the housing together, there should be a 1 and 1/4 rotation in the spring which will give you a solid amount of force on opening but not so much that the spring will be damaged or refuse to stay in the closed position. Now is a good time to screw in your newly cut key blank. Also take the time and select the right size screwdriver to secure the black screws, they strip very easily. I damaged one getting it tightened in, so I do not look forward to getting that out whenever I have to change my battery. LOL!

All together, the key is solid and works well. It reminds me of my wifes VW flip-key. I will post again if I have any further comments or notes that may be beneficial to the community. Best wishes to Gachrid and Chris. I hope this helps. I appreciate your input in the project.
 
Good news 0331. Glad you got it out. I think I sat there for a few hours last night with the key in my hand tempted to break it apart. I think I'm going to go ahead and go full on swap. Going to cut the housing apart to get the chip and then cut and trim the key blade to fit the new housing instead of getting a blank cut. If it doesn't work it should be easy enough to take the key blade and the blank to a locksmith.

And just to clarify, you did start the car and everything is good?
 
Discussion starter · #33 ·
Yes, it works great. I am unsure if you have seen the shape of the original key after it is removed from the housing, but I don't think you will want to spend much time grinding that key down to fit what the new non-laser blank already fits. Just remember to be delicate with the transponder and you will be fine. Bring the most narrow wall down first. Best wishes.
 
I haven't seen the key end yet. I'm not too concerned about it really. If i can cut it up with the dremel then I'll try it. Either way I wouldn't be using the original key blade again so who cares? I noticed that the provided key blank was thinner and had a different end so I was unsure it would work in the ignition. 0331, where did you end up having the blank cut?

Any pictures of the stock key end since you took it out?

I did start with the thin wall on the inside of the transponder. I was working my way around without disturbing the area that the key housing clipped back together. But since it has to be removed to get the transponder out... it will now all be removed ha.
 
Discussion starter · #35 ·
Yea that key is an odd trapezoid shape to it. You're right about the key thickness. It is around 1mm thinner. It does work fine though. I took my key to the local Ace hardware store. The guy there has cut many a key for me over the years. He is a pro with that machine. I believe that any semi intelligent person with a couple of years experience making keys can do this for you successfully for around $5.00.

I still have my stock key. If it is relevant by tonight when I get home, I will upload a picture for you.
 
Yeah I got annoyed at lunch and since I had the key on me I went to the tool box and cut out the cutters. I just had to make the first cut and ruin the housing so I wouldn't feel bad anymore ha. So the key is free and the chip is free. Will be putting working more tonight. Thanks for the push 0331 ha
 
Gachrid said:
Worked out. Everything got pulled apart. I trimmed the stock key with my dremel and fit it in. All good. I do wish the rotating part was a little tighter. Has a slight wobble to it. But oh well.

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Gachrid,
I'm trying the same flip key mod for my Impreza Sport. I think our original keys are the same. I got the flip key in the mail and was able to remove the transponder chip without breaking it.

I'm having trouble with the key blade. The one I got in the mail looks the same, but it's slightly different so it doesn't fit and the locksmith couldn't get it to work even after trying to shave it down a bit. I think the best bet is to pull out the metal key blade from the key I'm taking apart anyway and trim it like how you did, but I don't have a Dremel and really don't know what I'm doing. Would you be willing to take a shot at it? I see you're in CT, I'm in the Hartford area myself.
Thanks.
 
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